Wednesday, February 04, 2009

i'm curious

i'm curious!

If it was proven or revealed that Mary was not a virgin, would you still believe in Christ?

If evolution was revealed to be true, would you still believe in Christ?

if salvation was dependent upon Christ's selection of the chosen, rather than self motivated belief in your salvation through Christ's death alone...would you still be a Christian?

If certain verses in the bible were not of God's influence, but of the social agenda as man saw it , therefore compromising the truth of the book as whole...would that alter your faith?

If you're understanding of Christ and Christianity, faith and God were altered in anyway, or shaken to your core..if the foundations of that truth were revealed to be something different and seemingly contrary, would you still retain that faith?

i'm curious.

13 Comments:

Blogger rachel! said...

mary - yes, i'd believe still.
evolution - yes.
selection - probably, not. just because so much of what christ represents is based on including everyone and loving everyone, not being selective.
bible - yes.
and the last question is too vague.

it's just, my faith is strongly influenced by things, such as the bible, but my faith doesn't depend on it. my faith depends more on the everyday interaction i have with god and how i see him moving in my life, which yes, i realize is very naive and stupid sounding, but there is nothing more real to me than what i experience and know as god everyday.

11:06 PM

 
Blogger rachel! said...

what about you.

11:06 PM

 
Blogger Chase said...

I had a lengthy conversation with my sister about this just a few nights ago.


I feel as Paul said, "I know Christ and Him crucified."
The rest doesn't matter (in comparison). I've been weighing into each of these questions a lot, and each time, I return to the Resurrection.

Everything else - as Rob Bell might say - are jsut springs to help me keep jumping...
Great post. Would love to hear your thoughts.

5:15 AM

 
Blogger emily said...

Number three is a trick question. ;)

1:07 PM

 
Blogger Melanie said...

Someone once said (I believe it was Joan Baez in her autobiography Daybreak) that hypothetical situations get hypothetical answers.

I don't think #1 is possible.
I don't think #2 really is unless we actually see it occurring, something I know is debatable, perhaps. That alone would not shake my faith, I don't imagine.

Obviously, if these things were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it would at least have to alter my faith. I just have serious doubts about that happening.

11:29 PM

 
Blogger Jecca said...

I believe in Christ because of who He is exactly. Nothing can be changed about Him or His Word or His order of things because then you wouldn't have Christ. That being wouldn't be God. He is exactly who He is and cannot be changed. We are who we are because of who He is. Additionally, we know Him through His Word primarily and also through His personal revelation of Himself to us. But I don't believe in Christ only because of what's written in His Word or what other people tell me is true or not true about Him. He reveals Himself to me continually every day through many different avenues and that lends itself to a deeply rooted trust in Him and His good plans for all our lives. I'm beyond the point of having a shakable faith. He is too real to me for my commitment and devotion to Him to ever change and He's proven Himself true over and over as I've diligently sought Him with all my heart.

what are your thoughts?

5:08 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are you asking if we have blind faith?
personally, I think the specifics like #1 and #2 are irrelevant but the general concept/last paragraph can't help but shake up someone's views.

question for you:
there's an elixir that you can take that guarantees that you will never get sick. basically, you will live forever until you are in some sort of plane crash or accident, but if you take it there is no way you will go to Heaven when (or if) you do die.

do you take the elixir with the possibility that you could live on Earth for 1000s of years (granted you make safe decisions) or choose not to take the potion, and hope that when you die in 50 years there will be such thing as eternal life.

5:45 PM

 
Blogger David said...

i wouldn't take the "elixer"...point being?

6:34 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

god is as nothing could shake it because you can view any truth from many perpectives how one might remember anther might see differently even them bothe being there, for there is truth in all religeons we just must have the holy spirit within so we may grow in spiritual rightuosness lest youy stay a kid for every in greed and suffering

6:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would never ever take the elixir for we live eternail most are just blinded and cannot see the truth of what really is for you never die you just read upon another book of life but next time you may retain memories if wished as long as youy entered in spiritual maturity.

kevin hopf

6:05 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any man that thinks spiritual maturity is not needed is a very ignorant person and i hope they my find wisdom.
kev

6:07 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

when you see reality change upon you and history as it once was altered an know one notices you begin to wonder? who may i be? have i awakened in my dream?
kev

6:09 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A friend who is another religion brought up that situation to explain to me why his family doesn't believe in blood transfusions... because they believe artificially extending your earthly life isn't worth losing favor with God.
When I was 6 months old, my parents depended on surgery and a blood transfusion to save my life - if this was my buddy, his parents would have let him die...and they would have honestly believed that was the right thing to do. This blows my mind....but in their eyes, they are just accepting God's will for a sick baby.

Anyway I guess you are asking if the fundamental facts about God change, do I still believe? My point is, if you find out that a relationship with God will affect fundamental life choices (eg. letting yourself die instead of getting surgery...."something different and seemingly contrary") - do you still believe?

I realize that this was a convoluted way to get there, and
I apologize if that made no sense... your questions just reminded me of that hypothetical situation, which I think is the biggest stumbling block I have came across... I really have yet to figure out the balance between what is sure in this life and what there is potential for in the afterlife.

8:08 PM

 

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